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The Jaakko Turn [video]

Learn a handling technique called Jaakko Turn. It is a very effective technique for cueing a tight turn on an obstacle if you want your dog to continue on the same handling side after performing the obstacle.

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Corinna Giezendanner7 months ago

hi, can i do the jaakko from a fair distance to get a nice (safe turn) for my pretty fast bc? thanks

Jenni Leino7 months ago

Hi Corinna! In a Jaakko Turn you need to be close to the obstacle, but there is another handling technique that you will find useful with your dog: Reverse Spin. Check the video for Reverse Spin: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/Reverse-Spin-Agility-Handling/ and read about the differences between a Jaakko Turn and a Reverse Spin: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/QA22-Reverse-Spin-Vs-Jaakko-Turn/

Corinna Giezendanner7 months ago

hi jenni, thank you very much for your answer.

Corinna Giezendanner6 months ago

hi jenni, i might ask a bit different. which handling technique do you suggest for a tight turn from a distance? thanks

Jenni Leino6 months ago

It depends on your position in relation to your dog and the obstacle, whether you need to change the handling side or not, and what kind of line you need for your dog. Reverse Spin is a very nice technique to help you with this, but you might also find for example Double Lap Turn a useful technique :-) https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/Double-Lap-Turn-Agility-Handling/

Corinna Giezendanner6 months ago

thank you very much!

Ellen Richardson9 months ago

Never mind. Should have read all the posts first.

Niki Drage9 months ago

I'm glad you found the answer, let me know if you have any other questions!

Ellen Richardson9 months ago

Can you explain the subtle difference between the jaako and the reverse spin? We had this discussion just last night in class. Thanks

Monica Lord2 years ago

The video says the handler should do a subtly waving motion with the hand at the bar. Is this just part of a slow down cue like you would do with a very tight front cross wrap or is there something special about the Jaakko turn?

Niki Drage2 years ago

Hi Monica, this waving motion is mainly to attract your dog's attention to your hand, it helps as a slow down cue just as you mentioned, because if your hand is moving, your dog is more likely to focus on it which will help him decelerate. Read more about slow down cues here: www.oneminddogs.com/article/QA33-Slow-Down-Cues/

Iñaki Carazo3 years ago

Hi, wich is the verbal cue that you say in the jaako turn? Thank you

Janita Leinonen3 years ago

We say anything that means for the dog slow down cue or collection, like "ssssh" or the name of the dog.

eliana gutierrez3 years ago

Hay algun video de la forma correcta de hacer el slalom

Roché Compaan5 years ago

@Jenni Leino Thanks for your feedback, I've been rewarding from hand a lot more and are seeing the results!

Jenni Leino5 years ago

As you mentioned yourself, if you need to get the dog on the inside after the jump you should use a proactive front cross instead. When the dog has high obstacle focus you should start rewarding him from your hand or from the collection. That way the dog will find making a tight turn a positive thing. Also pay attention to the rhythm of your own movement before the obstacle: to enable a tight turn you should make a clear rhythm change before takeoff.

Roché Compaan5 years ago

I guess the simple answer is to simply use a front cross with a stronger slow down cue but perhaps I also need to figure out how to get the balance of obstacle handler focus right since my dog is too obstacle focussed at the moment. Looking forward to hear what you have to say!

Roché Compaan5 years ago

Wow thanks for this great video it really addresses one of the areas I need the most help with. I have an extremely driven dog and even after many many hours of training cik & cap I still struggle to get him to turn tightly in competitions. In training we have no problem but he becomes to excited in competitions. Here is little analysis of a recent competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OVG6Yk9jYQ. So here is my question, what if I want my dog to turn tightly and want my dog to stay on my inside after the turn. If I turn him blind with a JT he will be on my outside which is not necessarily the line I want to run to the next obstacle.

Anne Andrle5 years ago

@Janita Leinonen Thanks!

Janita Leinonen5 years ago

@Anne Andrle Jaakko turn is always a blind, that is starting like a proactive front cross, but handler is in front of the wing, so that the dog's only possibility is to come to "blind" side.

Anne Andrle5 years ago

A clarifying question I had about the JT: I 'thought' I heard Jaakko say a JT could be done with it ending in either a front or a blind....., but maybe I heard wrong, as this video seems to indicate it is ONLY a blind....? Just want to be sure I'm fully understanding... If you 'started' this the same as a JT, but 'ended' it with a FX, would it just be called a front cross? Or would you call it a JT to a front cross? Sorry if I'm being stupid, lol

Stacy Richards5 years ago

thank you ! @Janita Leinonen

Sylvain Jacquemin5 years ago

@Janita Leinonen Thank you, it makes sense and i understand what you mean. Will try this asap, my dog looovves to tug, should be easy :) I sent a video to your email adress info@oneminddogs.com and had a reply from Noora saying you will come back to me soon. I really appreciate your replies :) Great job.

Janita Leinonen5 years ago

@Stacy Richards Hi Stacy, I answered this question three days ago to Ellen. Go just few posts back.

Janita Leinonen5 years ago

@Sylvain Jacquemin Hi Sylvain, the video of you and your dog would really help, but without seeing it, couple of tips. We teach our dogs to do the collection with Human Arrow training, that technique is coming later. Some dogs make a collection without any teaching, but for some dogs, it has to be taught. One thing we also use a lot is that we drop the toy in front of the jump (to the point of desired takeoff point) at the same time we cue for decel. Many times you see that the handler is doing this too late and the dog is already in the air, before he notice the toy. So this is very good exercise for the handler to see if he is giving the cues early enough! If the dog doesn't care about the toys, I would stop him in front of the jump with food in my hand. After eating it, he would take the jump and we continue the course. Just let me know if it's too difficult to understand and we'll go to film this training.

Janita Leinonen5 years ago

@judith kolva Hi Judith, I borrow some of Kayl McCann's explanation for her students. In Jaakko turn you are always in front of the wing (very close to the wing), you use the rhythm chance to decel the dog and the exit line of the jump is always the same (perpendicular to the plane of the jump back to take off side of jump.) In Reverse Spin you are never in front of the jump, you have either lateral distance or you are behind the jump and you don't use rhytm change. The dog does not have to exit the same way as the Jaakko Turn. Both involve the handler cueing with the inside leg & arm & both cause the handler to turn away from their dog... BUT the use & rhythm of these 2 techniques are quite different.

judith kolva5 years ago

my question regards the differences between the Jaako turn and the reverse spin. I know on the Jaako it is done at the wing and the expectation for the dog is a wrap back from the jump. With the reverse spin the location is not the same and the turn could be 90 degrees. Do the mechanics of the spin look like the Jaako? Is the position of the move what tells my dog what is expected? Thanks for helping me try to distinguish between the two moves.

Stacy Richards5 years ago

Hi, In Australia we have a mix of wing and non-wing jumps on course. Would you still perform a Jaakko on a non-wing jump? I don't think this move is done frequently in Australia for any Judges to see it done and I am not sure if they would know to use a wing jump unless they planned that move in their course. Also some clubs may not have wing jumps to use anyway???

Noora5 years ago

@Sylvain Jacquemin Hi Sylvain! - Could you send us a video or link to one so that we can see your handling in these cases? Please send the video to info@oneminddogs.com

Sylvain Jacquemin5 years ago

Hello Nice video, i'm just wondering about your slow down cue, i understand that there's a rythme change and a voice cue if needed to have nice tight turns but i'm really struggling about my dogs to slow down. It looks like there's something wrong in my handling. Maybe there's a foundation to train before or do you have an advice you could help ? I saw your methodology video and the part you talked about this, but my rythme change doesn't affect (enough) my dog speed, so he is always a bit wide. Thanks for your help

Janita Leinonen5 years ago

@Ellen Erickson Hi Ellen, we would position ourselves so that the post is behind our back.

Angi Buettner5 years ago

Very cool :)

Ellen Erickson5 years ago

If there is no wing, am I still just a tad lateral to the post for Jaakko turn?

Siegfried Clever5 years ago

Fantastic Video, finally I can see how it works thanks

sashanto5 years ago

Heading out to train right now and we'll be working this in. Great video!

Delete this account5 years ago

Great video and explanation of the handling move, thank you.