Running On the Dog's Line [video]

Learn a handling technique called Running On The Dog´s Line. When performing this technique, you must be ahead of your dog and be able to cross your dog’s line of approach before he takes off. You don’t perform a side change but your dog’s line changes towards the next obstacle, like in a serpentine for example.


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rita Valiquettelast year

Is there a training video showing them actually running the dogs line' With three jumps & then to another obstacle?thanks

Janita Leinonenlast year

Hi Rita! In this method video, in "position"-part 10:55, there are running on the dogs line with three jumps . If you want something particular in the end of those jumps let me know and we can film it.

Sammi Flynn4 years ago

I know this is not a threadle set-up but how is this different from a "threadle cue" as it is called in the US?

Janita Leinonen4 years ago

If you say you do treadle, you can cue it the same way, but I still don't know what you are actually doing. You could cue it with the dog side arm or with the opposite arm, not using arms at all, but slowing down your motion or only by your position and calling the dog. The biggest difference with the names in US and Finland is that in US everything is named by what the dog does. And in Finland everything is named by what the handler does. For example you say you do a wrap. I don't know which side of the obstacle you are, are you turning with the dog or against the dog, is the dog between you and the obstacle or are you between the dog and the obstacle, are you close the jump or far away from it... So when we say running on the dogs line, we know exactly how and where it's done.

Sammi Flynn4 years ago

thank you for the explanation, very interesting.

Cloudine 5 years ago

Love this breakdown of running the line. I've been struggling with knocked bars with my young dog...probably because I trained her to run really fast wraps without height (scared to add height at a young age). Next time I'll add a tiny bit of height earlier. She's really athletic and great in certain difficult jumping challenges, yet is so poor when she's excited about movement. I've been working other systems to get her comfortable with seeing me run and to be moving out of her space as she approaches, but it was missing some detail you have here that makes it clearer for both of us. Cheers!

Kelly St-Jacques5 years ago

I'm a new Premium Member and am loving the teaching videos. I wonder if you could clarify for me when you use two hands at once to signal collection. I see Janita does, but only on certain jumps in this video, and I don't think Mikko does. When do you think it's clearer to the dog to use two hands? (By the way, it's great that you show all the possible mistakes handlers might make; that's so helpful!)

Niki Drage3 years ago

Hi Kelly, Two hand would be needed for dogs who need a stronger collection cue, if the dog is more obstacle focused and is less likely to decelerate with just one hand then you can use two

Janita Leinonen6 years ago

@Angi Buettner Hi Angi, if I hadn't wings, then I would just train without them. You can train all techniques with a wingless jump. Wings just give little more time to the handler and support some dogs more. But if your dog has used to run with wingless jumps, I'm sure it won't be a problem to your dog, you just have to be little faster :)

Angi Buettner6 years ago

Here in NZ usually jumps have no wings. I saw your comment above about how it is harder to train/teach RDL with non-wing jumps. But if you haven't got them, is there anything you would suggest or recommend? It's just because it looks like RDL is a really fun and useful and smooth handling technique. But I'm also now gonna hunt online for instructions on how to build wing jumps.

Dianne Traphagen6 years ago

This video explains running on the dogs line beautifully. Now to go out and do it.

Pavel Košek6 years ago

Thanks for very detailed explanation. Especially of proper timing of hand change and chest rotation!!!

Susan Hemmingsen6 years ago

This video clearified a lot for me - can´t wait to go training again !!!! Have been struggeling with this for a couple of month with my 20 month bc girl, and i now know that i cross the dogs line too late an have a tendency to back while she lands - and not being able to move in right direction.

Janita Leinonen6 years ago

@Stacy Richards Hi Stacy, I have written an answer to your previous question (answers partly for this question also), you'll find it from the blog soon. BUT, some dogs have to be taught to collect and we are doing it with Human Arrow - technique training. So you get more info about that when that technique video comes out. Remember that more far away from the bar you are, more far away the dog will jump (methodology video 10:30-10:55).

Stacy Richards6 years ago

Hi, here is part 2 of my dogs from Aussie. I would love to know any feedback please. I notice my young chocolate dog (13 months) jumps quite long, not yet collecting. Is that just inexperience or is there something that I can do to get her to collect tighter landing and around the wing. Many thanks Stacy, Tegan & Zoe

Kerilyn Nobuhara6 years ago

Thank you for the videos! It's obvious that a lot of time and thought went into these training videos, the diagrams and mistakes are incredibly helpful.

Christine Wingate-Wynne6 years ago

Have found this so helpful. I was after attending a training seminar and using the DVDs still finding gaps in my communication with Zev, we have been practicing with the insights given. And I becoming clearer and more understanding of my positioning. Thank you :):):)

Janita Leinonen6 years ago

@ Carol Mount Hi Carol, yes, this is much more difficult with wingless jumps! We always first teach these with wings, because it helps the dog come to the jump with a right angle and also they don't pass the jump so easily. After the dog is a confident jumper and knows the technique, you can do it also with wingless jumps. Good point, thanks for asking!

Carol Mount6 years ago

Are there any issues or concerns with using Non-wing Jumps for training this?

Sabrina Rossi6 years ago

perfect video , great!

Betty Mayes6 years ago

Brilliant video. Needs watching again and again!

Noora6 years ago

@Stacy Richards Thank you Stacy for your great video and all the questions! :) We will publish a blog post later on as an answer to the questions. Thanks for your patience!

Stacy Richards6 years ago

Here is our practice of Running the dogs Line. Training Zoe the chocolate dog (1 year) and Tegan the BC (3.5 yrs) Only the foundation started. My questions are.... I can see that I am not crossing the line early enough in some of the attempts. Also got confused which hand to have the toy in when throwing? And am I leaning over too much? Should I be closer to the bar, am I giving the dogs too much room? Also both dogs are jumping one height lower for this session so they are not worrying about the bar. Thank you ! Running the dogs line Part 1

Kathy Zook Miller6 years ago

@ Janita Leinonen thank you so much for your reply and very clear explanation. indeed I will RUN!!!! and deliver the reward/toy in ways familiar to my dog that you've described. . .

Janita Leinonen6 years ago

@Kathy Miller Hi Kathy, we use different ways to reward: - An assistant throws a toy - A toy is ready on the ground - A handler drops a toy while running forward - A handler rewards after the dog catches him Some dogs prefer only some of those ways to reward (for example some dogs drops easier the bars if a toy is in handler's hand, some dogs don't take a toy ready on ground and so on). So you can use any rewarding that suits for your dog. In the beginning we anyway underline the handler's movement, so RUN, how ever you decide to reward your dog! :)

Kathy Zook Miller6 years ago

A quick question about not having an "assistant": can the handler carry and drop the reward on the dog's line when no assistant is available? or does that cause some problem you've discovered? thanks!

Kathy Zook Miller6 years ago

Bravo! Wonderful format for learning new things and/or "troubleshooting" our current handling. The comments here are a great place to learn, too. I'm very happy to be a part of One Mind online.

Janita Leinonen6 years ago

@ Anne Andrle Anne: You are right with German Turn!

Stacy Richards6 years ago

BRILLIANT! Guess what I am practicing this weekend. Thank you so much, the explanation and demo's are perfecto!

Anne Andrle6 years ago

This is great! Just a clarifying question, in the examples shown, with the dog going to the 'back' side of the jump as the 2nd obstacle; if the handler had done this as a 'blind' then it would be a 'German' turn, correct? Thanks!

Gosia 6 years ago

Thank you so very much for taking the time to go through all the 'what not to do' scenarios. Sometimes we don't realize we are doing something wrong until we actually see it. The mistakes part is very, very helpful to not only be mindful of what to do correctly but also to be mindful of the nuances of what not to do.

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