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Reverse V-Set [video]

Learn a handling technique called Reverse V-Set. It is a technique for handlers whose dogs prefer to slice jumps and need a lot of help to be able to turn.

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Matt Dietrichlast year

For me it's hard to see a difference between jakko turn and reverse v-set. Can you help me to explain.

Janita Leinonenlast year

Hi Matt, check this out: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/QA60-Jaakko-Turn-vs-Reverse-V-Set/

Matt Dietrichlast year

Thanks Janita, that's exactly the explanation I was looking for

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

In the video, it seems that sometimes the handler leads the jump with one hand and continues on with that hand, but sometimes, the handler switches the leading hand. So it seems either way is acceptable depending on what happens next. Correct?

Niki Drage2 years ago

Hi Phil, Yes that is correct, the Reverse V-set can finish with either a Blind or a Front Cross so you can either switch hands or stay on the same hand depending on what side the handler needs to be on for the next line. Good observation!

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

What is the difference between this and the Jaakko turn?

Janita Leinonen2 years ago

Hi Phil, look this: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/QA60-Jaakko-Turn-vs-Reverse-V-Set/ If you have a dog which rather turns towards the handler than slice the jump, you never need Reverse V-set. Reverse V-set "forces" the dog to turn, if he belongs to category that pushes forward all the time, even if the handler doesn't have any motion. Or if the dog is really bad in turnings and it could jump back and forward that jump without help in the turning. But some dogs never need this technique!

Wendy Koski2 years ago

Would this technique help a dog that tends to wrap wing so tightly he takes bar and wing down. Looks like it would help the dog much better with the line.

Niki Drage2 years ago

Hi Wendy, yes it would because it would force them to add another stride before take off which will reduce that issue. The other things that would really help is to practice the teaching stages of the Reverse Wrap which also teaches the dog to square up before take off: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/Reverse-Wrap-Agility-Handling/

Hani Border Collie2 years ago

What I love most in your videos is the troubleshooting part :)

Niki Drage2 years ago

Thanks!

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

What does keep contact with the dog mean? I thought it meant to look at the dog. Text in video says: The handler keeps contact with the dog until the commitment. Mari does not seem to be "keeping contact with the dog" and is looking at the take-off point. See: http://goo.gl/ezC7j1

Niki Drage2 years ago

keep in contact means to keep the side profile of your face to your dog and to have them in your peripheral vision so that you know your dog is connected to you and is coming to the correct side

Yuho Shin3 years ago

What's the differences between Mari's Reverse V-Set in video 1:22 and Front Cross?

Janita Leinonen2 years ago

Hi Yuho! Mari's position (feet and hand) is in front of the bar, so her position shapes the dog's line and prevents the dog to slice the jump. If you do normal Front Cross, you are not in front of the bar. If your dog is turning well, you never need this technique. But if your dog jumps straight, slice the jump or doesn't want to turn, this is really effective way to help the dog to turn tight.

Ann Ramsay3 years ago

No Janita I don't need more explanation, that very good and I understand. Thanks for your help at Lo Baker's in May! I hope you do the feedback to videos again, I will be ready to post the reverse v-set next level course by then!

Ann Ramsay3 years ago

In this video Jannita and Mari seem to be doing it differently. At the beginning of the video Janita doesn't do a change of hands while Mari in the teaching part does. Mari's looks more like a FC. Who is doing the reverse v-set. Thanks!

Janita Leinonen3 years ago

Hi Ann! Your arms and verbals are the weakest handling elements for your dog, most of the handlings it's not about which hand you are using. If the dog needs more suport to go to the jump, we use the dog's side arm. If the dog has high obstacle focus and it needs more collection cues than support to execute the jump, we use the opposite arm. The most important things in Reverse v-set is your motion, position, direction of the chest's laser point and connection to the dog with a low hand (to get the dog close to the handler). If you have motion when the dog comes beside you, it easily goes backside of the jump. If you are not enough in front of the bar, the dog can still slice the jump to the wrong direction. So concentrate to get to the position, where you are like a pole the dog goes around, your position is forcing the dog to jump to right direction and turn tight. And be in that position so early, that the dog comes close to you. Please teel me, if you need more explaining!

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

What does "teel me" mean?

Diana Chapman4 years ago

Thank you, Janita! Now I understand.

Janita Leinonen4 years ago

@angela maharajh Hi Angela, in Reverse V-set the handler is facing the dog, toes and chest laser point towards the dog. In V-set, the handler is facing the same direction than the dog, toes and chest laser point is forward, towards the landing point.

Janita Leinonen4 years ago

@Diana Chapman Hi Diana, in Jaakko turn, the handler does not shape the line. The dog has a possibility to jump far away and wrong direction. Normally Jaakko turn is used when the dog approach the jump straight. In Reverse V-set, the handler is like a pole (the dog has to go around) in front of the bar. Handler's position prevents the dog to jump straight over the bar. The dog has possibilities to either go backside of the jump or shape the line to jump towards the wanted line. Reverse V-set is mostly used when the dog approach the jump from sideways and could easily jump slicing jump and land to the wrong direction.

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

The Jaakko turn looks almost identical to the Reverse V-set. See these two images: Jaakko turn http://imgur.com/PIkVV0o reverse vset http://imgur.com/pd5I9Bz OK, so we are to Use the Jaakko Turn when the dog is approaching the jump straight on. But what do we do differently from the VSET? We use the Revese V-set when the dog is approaching the jump from the side and might slice the jump and land in the wrong direction. But what do we do differently from what we do with the Jaakko Turn?

Phil Seyer & Magic Momo2 years ago

i.imgur.com/PIkVV0o i.imgur.com/PIkVV0o

angela 4 years ago

What is a forward V-set, if this is a reverse? Is there another video? Thanks

Niki Drage2 years ago

Hi Anegla, the normal V-set is: https://www.oneminddogs.com/article/V-Set-Agility-Handling/

Diana Chapman4 years ago

What is the difference between a Jaakko turn and a reverse V-set when you finish with a blind cross?